yogg314
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Post by yogg314 on Feb 27, 2014 1:01:08 GMT
Hello all- I have a rakdos edh deck with Exava as the commander. Long story short, it's crap, complete and utter crap. So I am tearing it apart and starting fresh. However, I am not sure what direction I want to go. I know that I should make use of Exava's haste giving abilities but I'm not sure that it will be fast enough to not have some other mechanic, and that is where I'm stuck. Any help would be appreciated  . ~Yogg |
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Post by TokenDragon on Feb 27, 2014 6:06:43 GMT
exava is a unique choice as a commander,it's small mana cost and color identity kinda push toward a win with a close combat commander damage with some enchantment buff thrown in. but more than often a player will just use a commander to play in that colors, I think that's what you want to do. +1/+1 counter is hard to find in the boundary outside of green, hard but not impossible. back in the m12 core set and the innistrad block there were a lot of black and red card that gain +1/+1 counters, the vampire were the best at this job, creature such as falkenrath exterminator, and havengul vampire are some good example. black red vampire is very powerful if done correctly, getting stronger every time you successfully punch a player in the face with one of these beauty can make you a force to be reckon with in edh. I recommend researching into vampire, especially ones in innistrad and zendikar, both block have very powerful vampire tribal cards. another mechanic you should know is bloodthirst, a creature with bloodthirst can get more powerful when you cast it IF you can do some damage to your opponent before playing it. for example vampire outcast have bloodthirst 2, meaning if I can deal a bit of damage to you via combat or with a burn spell like searing spear, that vampire outcast turn from a wimpy 2/2 into a mean 4/4. if you can do this before combat with exava out, your vampire outcast can also do some additional damage. overall I suggest making a black red vampire thirst deck with a lot of kill spell and burn spell. get a deck together and I'll help you edit that deck
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Post by yogg314 on Feb 28, 2014 16:04:50 GMT
Thanks for the help token. I liked your idea, but there was not a ton of blood thirst that I actually wanted. So, I just found vampire cards that gave themselves or others +1/+1 counters to get the most out of Exava's haste giving ability. I think it turned out well (for a first draft at least). So, here is my Exava, haste through counters deck. ~Yogg |
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Post by ThePr0digy on Mar 1, 2014 0:35:11 GMT
Exava control is obviously the answer. Be an ass with all sorts of control things and mana ramp and screw people over with your haste. Run equipments and other stuff, maybe some reanimate for when your commander starts getting too expensive. |
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Post by TokenDragon on Mar 1, 2014 19:17:31 GMT
Thanks for the help token. I liked your idea, but there was not a ton of blood thirst that I actually wanted. So, I just found vampire cards that gave themselves or others +1/+1 counters to get the most out of Exava's haste giving ability. I think it turned out well (for a first draft at least). So, here is my Exava, haste through counters deck. ~Yogg do you have all the cards for this deck ? |
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Post by yogg314 on Mar 1, 2014 22:36:30 GMT
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, no. The list of what have is significantly shorter than what I need  . I am the proxy master tho. Anyways, here is the list of what I have: Butcher of malakir (in another deck though) Urza-tron exava the basic lands rakdos guild gate child of night death gaze cockatrice falkenrath noble fanatic of mogis lightning bolt lightning blast lightning stike pyroclasm midnight recovery terminate quag vampires bloodrage vampire necropolis regent ~Yogg p.s. I might have some of the common non-creature things as I was searching through my stuff fast. |
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Post by ThePr0digy on Mar 2, 2014 3:59:12 GMT
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, no. The list of what have is significantly shorter than what I need . I am the proxy master tho. Anyways, here is the list of what I have: Butcher of malakir (in another deck though) Urza-tron exava the basic lands rakdos guild gate child of night death gaze cockatrice falkenrath noble fanatic of mogis lightning bolt lightning blast lightning stike pyroclasm midnight recovery terminate quag vampires bloodrage vampire necropolis regent ~Yogg p.s. I might have some of the common non-creature things as I was searching through my stuff fast. I, ThePr0digy, am master proxy. HURRRRRRRRRR EGGS HURRRR |
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Post by TokenDragon on Mar 2, 2014 21:04:05 GMT
personally I suggest cutting the cards you don't have and focus on the cards that are remotely attainable. so here are the cuts I think you should do: chancelor of the dross, crovax the cursed, deathgaze cockatrice, fanatic of mogis, mirri the cursed, quag vampire, vampiric dragon, electrostatic bolt, lightning blast, puncture bolt, auntie hovel, devil's play, firebolt, forked bolt, midnight recovery, riot spike, coldsteel heart. add: get at least 36 land, artifact mana ramp like armillary sphere, and look for more instants and socery related to vampire, there's a bunch like victim of nights, urge to feed, feast of blood, etc and don't forget about what I said about cutting the one that's remotely attainable, those super old cards from invasion and original ravnica is going to be hard to find. |
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Post by ThePr0digy on Mar 3, 2014 4:03:34 GMT
I ask, is it a good deck you're trying to make or a fun one? What do you think is fun? Do you like Synergy? Do you think the admin is awesome? Is a man not entitled to the sweat from his own brow? On a less serious note; 36 lands is too much. You need more artifact ramp like gilded lotus, sad robot, DreamyStones, Fellwar Stone, and that one compass for when you get lost. EDH is who ramps hardest and kills fastest Edit: I approve of the 26 land barrier! I won't run more than 27, unless I really have to cause self mil mimeoplasm ugh |
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Post by yogg314 on Mar 4, 2014 16:01:42 GMT
Uhhhhh, did you see the rather small list of things I actually had? Also I really don't have much in the way of trades, so that can be problematic. So, proxies are the way to go, especially if I want a deck that is even remotely competitive with other people's decks where I play(cal poly game theory). That was the major issue with my first Exava deck too, I only used cards I had. 1. A bit of both, really 2. IDK, I like my Treva deck. I guess its fun to do silly-ish things that don't draw a lot of aggro until its kinda too late. 3. Sure 4. Hmmmmmmmmm. IDK he's kinda funny looking. 5. I am sensing a political agenda here so I'm gonna refer that question to EasyAI. He is my resident political ranter ~Yogg |
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Post by TokenDragon on Mar 5, 2014 5:19:43 GMT
Uhhhhh, did you see the rather small list of things I actually had? Also I really don't have much in the way of trades, so that can be problematic. So, proxies are the way to go, especially if I want a deck that is even remotely competitive with other people's decks where I play(cal poly game theory). That was the major issue with my first Exava deck too, I only used cards I had. well since you're going to proxies everything, why not just look for a deck on tcg player and proxy all of that ? I don't condone that kind of style since that's just take out the fun of making a deck, the only time I am ok with proxies is when you're set to get that card and you just want to test it early...and that's just me being ok with it. there was a lot more thing I want to chew you out on about this but it was too long for me to write. so I'll just cut to the chase, since you seem like you just want to make this deck...just to play the game, and is indecisive about the competitive nature. you need to tell me exactly what you want it to do, there's a million different way to make this deck, you need to help me narrow it down. |
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Post by yogg314 on Mar 5, 2014 15:22:33 GMT
This thread has been closed due to negative attitudes.
~Yogg
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Post by ThePr0digy on Mar 7, 2014 6:11:17 GMT
well since you're going to proxies everything, why not just look for a deck on tcg player and proxy all of that ? I don't condone that kind of style since that's just take out the fun of making a deck, the only time I am ok with proxies is when you're set to get that card and you just want to test it early...and that's just me being ok with it. there was a lot more thing I want to chew you out on about this but it was too long for me to write. so I'll just cut to the chase, since you seem like you just want to make this deck...just to play the game, and is indecisive about the competitive nature. you need to tell me exactly what you want it to do, there's a million different way to make this deck, you need to help me narrow it down. Not everyone's a spike. Also there's fun in building your own deck, why copy someone else's deck? I mean really if it's online they're obviously bad at this game of magic. Proxies are for those of us who're testing decks, poor, or just good at this. Proxies allow people to actually play the game without sinking thousands of moonies into it. There is actually a game that doesn't involve the stocks known as cards you know~ I honestly don't get the reason people are against proxies outside of tournaments other than if they spend ridiculous amounts of money on this game. Sure some people are out of control and proxy decks to be a dick, although if you're proxying responsibly you can make a deck that can at least stand a chance against other people in your playgroup whose land base alone costs well over $500. There's a lot of pluses to proxying and there aren't really any downs. |
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Post by TokenDragon on Mar 8, 2014 7:07:29 GMT
sigh, ok I apologize for getting my feeling of the game in the way of your experience in magic. I'm done with this thread, but before I go I'm going to leave this here. I find it a very good read, and might give you some idea on what to proxies |
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. I am the proxy master tho.